RE: VMs: Cell

["Justin Neviackas" <Justin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Looking at the image further in the upper right circular structure that
is definitely not a cell.  There are 5 smaller tubes coming out of the
central structure.  This defintely reminds me of a plant.  And there is
some text that appears to be coming out of one tube.  

But all nine circular structures seem to be comprising a larger one.

My monitor is not the greatest and I am having trouble making out
detail. 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Justin Neviackas
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 7:52 AM
To: vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: VMs: Cell

I have been reading the posts to this list for about 2 months now and I
think I may have some input on this one....


The images on that page look like plant structures to me.  

Plants use evapotranspiration to move water and nutrients from the
ground up into the upper parts of the plant.  Water that evaporates from
the leaves pulls water from the ground in a cappilary effect.  The
images on the link
http://beinecke.library.yale.edu/dl_crosscollex/brbldl/oneITEM.asp?pid=2
002046&iid=1006231&srchtype=ITEM look to me to be a cross section of a
plant.  Or really any tube type structure in any organism (a vein or
artery for example).  

There are some plants (i.e. celery) were if you look closely enough, and
with a magnifying glass you can see similar type structures.  There are
even some plants like the giant kelp that the whole trunk of the plant
is one big tube and you can see it with the naked eye. 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Gabriel Landini
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 6:31 AM
To: vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: VMs: Cell

On Friday 27 May 2005 10:48, Stefan Urbanek wrote:
> Are there any biologists here? 

I really think that the cell idea is very far fetched.
Cell images were also suggested by Newbold, who thought that Bacon had
not only a microscope (!) but a compound one (!!).

The known date of handling of the vms (which must have been after it was
written, of course) is not consistent with the known development of
early microscopy, nor with posterior techniques associated with it that
are necessary to disclose even coarse cell structure (speciment
sectioning,
staining) as suggested those images would depict.

Cheers,

Gabriel

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