RE: VMs: O with a dotin the middle

[fion@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]

That's great Jean !

First that the O can appear without a dot. Second regarding the gold
meaning. I reviewed the document. The first line reads Benedictio Aure et 
debet(ter). The "A" is specific to the Schwabacher and Fraktur but  "g" is
is specific to Schwabacher. So I'm assuming this is written in Schwabacher 
script. This may help figuring out some of the letters. 

Regards,
Florin

  
> On Sat, 11 Jun 2005, jean-yves artero wrote:

> Hi Florin,
> 
> According to Gettings (Dictionary of alchemical
> sigils),
> 
> O with a dot in the middle with the meaning of gold
> is to be seen in Alchymia (1563), Crollius (1612)...
> 
> O without dot with the meaning of sun is encountered
> in Bernard (15th).
> 
> O with a dot in the middle with the meaning of sun was
> introduced during the Italian Renaissance from the
> esoteric Christian tradition.
> 
> The cross in your MS is the potent or Greek one AFAIK;
> it is a bit different from the common alchemical
> representation of the crucible which is a simple +.
> 
> However we are here in a difficult matter, would you
> allow me this pun.
> 
> Want an evidence? I checked with Schneider (Lexicon
> alchemistisch-pharmazeutischer Symbole) and:
> 
> Gold is according to him represented among others by a
> 
> O with or without dot.
> 
> The cross as shown in your docuement is exactly one of
> the possible representations of crucible.
> 
> So what?
> 
> I maintain that in alchemy representations of gold and
> sun are interrelated and that O has that
> signification.
> 
> I maintain that in alchemy + possibly is crucible. I
> have to add that Christus is on his cross is a symbol
> of the mattery in the crucible.
> 
> Now back to your document, it seems to be written as a
> kind of prayer. Either it is simply that or it has
> also a hidden meaning. Would deserve a translation
> from Latin. And a better knowledge of the context.
> 
> There are some alchemical treatises looking like
> religious works. 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Jean 
> 
> --- fion@xxxxxxxxxxxxx a écrit :
> 
> > 
> > Hi Jean,
> > Yes, please. I would be interested to see if it has
> > any 
> > significant semnification to the Benedictan order.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Florin 
> > 
> > > On Fri, 10 Jun 2005, jean-yves artero wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi Florin
> > >  
> > > O with a dot in the middle is good description of
> > the alchemical symbol for
> > > gold/sun.
> > >  
> > > A crux is another one for a crucible, for
> > instance; perhaps it has other meanings,
> > > I can check the above in case of interest.
> > >  
> > > Jean
> > > 
> > > fion@xxxxxxxxxxxxx a écrit :
> > > 
> > > Yesterday I had the impression I was already in
> > the weekend. Oh, well.
> > > Here is the document:
> > http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/~fion/vm/bene.jpg
> > > I know that the last symbol from 116v, O, doesn't
> > have a dot but
> > > somehow my "pattern-matching detector" clicked
> > when I saw this. Probably 
> > > it was in the same context, same position s.o.
> > > 
> > > The only Os with a dot I'm aware would be the
> > Greek Theta, and Gothic 
> > > Hwoir probably borrowed from Greek's one. Another
> > one is more exotic, the 
> > > kanji hi(day,sun) used to be represented by a
> > circle with a dot in the 
> > > middle. Besides this I'm not aware of any
> > particular semnfication of this 
> > > symbol.
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > Florin
> > 
> >


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