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Re: VMs: Reasearching the VMs at Beinecke

Hi GC,

I was looking for this, at least subconsciously; however, nothing really stood out to the point where I would say that it was a bleed across from a missing folio. In fact, I was a bit surprised at the minimal amount of bleed-across that I actually saw, primarily occuring where there was an excess of paint gum (arabic?).

Another area that might be of value in future (in person) investigations of the manuscript is to look at the creases, foldings, and depressions in the vellum to aid in detecting what might have been lying next to what. Looking at the dirt (mold, oil, gutters) may also be of assistance. BTW is was surprised at how little gutter dirt existed, relegated only to a limited number of fold gutters. I seemed to be able to detect where clips might have been used to hold the vellum. There are also tracks (parallel lines, less than 1cm?) that suggest running a roller over the vellum. Towards the end of my examination of the manuscript, I was looking at one folio which seemed to have a "water mark" outline that I believe was due to something resting (probably for quite a while if true) on the vellum (kind of looked like a caldron). But this level of examination of the vellum would take a lot more time and effort that I currently have; perhaps I will include it on my items to look at on a return visit (if ever there may be one).


Dana




From: "GC" <gc-@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 13:29:21 -0600

Dana, I do seem to remember in the herbal section that we have one or two "bleed across" images that do not match existing folios, which would suggest that there are herbal pages missing besides f12. Did you gain any sense of this in your examination?

GC

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Subject: RE: VMs: Reasearching the VMs at Beinecke


> Hi Jean,
>
> A quick answer to the missing 12 pages, for example, is that they might not
> be missing at all since they may never have existed to begin with. Sure, if
> we go by the numbers then one could say that they must be missing. But the
> current folios 58v and 65r are on the same piece of vellum and perhaps there
> never were any additional folios inserted between. Two reasons why this
> came to mind are that the number 66 at the top of the rightmost folio which
> follows the missing set might actually be a forged 55 (it kind of looks like
> the 6 may actually have been penned originally as a 5 and turned into a 6
> with an added stroke). The second thought is that I saw no evidence of
> there having been any insertions added between folios 58v and 65r. Who
> knows? I will keep looking for evidence of these missing folios.
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Dana Scott
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: jean-yves artero <jyartero@xxxxxxxx>
> >Reply-To: vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >To: vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: RE: VMs: Reasearching the VMs at Beinecke
> >Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:45:45 +0200 (CEST)
> >
> >Hi Dana
> >
> >Thanks for the kind proposal.
> >
> >Perhaps an idea would be to get an impression about
> >the missing pages; it is easier I think when you have
> >a paper version in front of you; one question for
> >instance could be: is there any logic in the missings
> >and if yes what is this logic, as you see it?
> >
> >Of course a bigger one and more difficult but once
> >again better to ask oneself in the library is : what
> >is your overall impression about the logic of VMS as
> >it is now...
> >
> >Jean
> >
> >--- DANA SCOTT <dscott520@xxxxxxx> a écrit :
> >
> > >
> > > Hello All,
> > >
> > > I am currently researching the VMs and accompanying
> > > documents at the
> > > Beinecke Library. It is a wonderful experience to
> > > be able to examine the
> > > original incunabula. If anyone has a burning need
> > > for me to examine a
> > > particular item, please do not hesitate to ask. I
> > > will be here next week as
> > > well.
> > >
> > >
> > > Kind Regards,
> > > Dana Scott
> > >
> > >
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