Re: Could f17r be fennel or RX ??

["Dana F. Scott" <dfscott@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hello Steve,
   I suppose that we can use the term 'recipe' in a generic sense to mean
the combining of two or more substances under certain controlled
conditions to produce a desired result. This would apply equally well to
cuisine art, cosmetics, medicinals, and alchemichal endeavors. Time and
the forces of nature have an effect on these experimentations with Nature.
What is more important might be to focus on the desired results. Clearly
the ancients recognized the cyclical aspects of Nature changing from month
to month, year to year. Humans attempt to understand Nature documenting
observations and then experimenting to gain further insight into its inner
workings. While it is human nature to have special areas of interest and
favorite hypotheses when attempting to decipher cryptic documents such as
the VMS, I would not limit myself to just one best guess. I find it
difficult to imagine a great need to hide (encipher) favorite recipe's,
unless we are referring to a world renowned chef. There is no doubt value
in cosmetics when the product can be sold at a high price. I myself am
more inclined to lean toward the scientific, botanical, medicinal,
alchemical side of the scale. Notice that there are clearly overlaps in
all areas. So, yes, I do see hints at manipulating the plants to address
ulterior interests, but as yet have not been able to clearly envision the
desired end results, the goal and purpose that the
scientist/cosmetician/chef/rhizome collector/physician/alchemist/etc. had
in mind. What was the goal and why would it need to be kept in secret? So
what we find to decipher in the VMS includes a myriad of interests (text,
plants, pharmaceuticals, astrology, cosmology, medallions, balneology,
etc.). My approach is to focus on the facts. What can be shown to be fact
or close to it, bearing in mind that this must be from the perspective of
the author/scribe of the VMS. It can of course prove to be very difficult
to "get inside the mind" of another indivudual.

Regards,
Dana Scott

steve ekwall wrote:

> Hi Dana :-)
>
> Could f17r be a RECIPE??  Rx or otherwise??
>
>  3 (parts) to TOP
> 12 parts (leaves)
>  2 filtrations or 2-3 (tuber) process'
> then ROOTs etc..in sun day counts??
>
> <you wrote:>
>     Yes, I understand that there can be an argument for similarities;
>  however, I personally would not choose Fennel at this point. A
>  cousin perhaps, but not Foeniculum vulgare. If it were later
>  determined that this plant was indeed Fennel, then I would have to
>  say that the scribe of the VMS probably had "something else" in mind
>  than a botanically accurate description of Fennel,......
>  <snip>.... "quotes" on "something else" are mine -=se=- sorry :-)?
>
> -----------------------
>  No botinist here, but a hobbist Bre_d (manna)
> dough maker BAKER!  I can't COOK (ha.haa) but I can BAKE UP a STORM!
> and I love to keep my "Living Yeasty Beasty's WARM! :-)) !!" A must IF
> you BAKE! I _ALWAYS_ follow recipes here!! - so, if you'll excuse this
> simple and naive question (or pointer to ANSWERs?) thought... PLUS
> remembering
> Bread is FOLDING/ KNEEDED over and OVER (since PRE-Bible times!)
>
> Noting that THE PLANTS in the vms ALWAYS are ~WEIRD~ and to me too,
> seem grafted, ODDLY ATTACHED? of others etc..
>
> (also I'm sure someone else HAD this thought first - not me) But per
> ES showing me "f35r" [specifically] and now that I have a complete
> FULL COPY?, in the Yale CopyFLO (thx to Nick Pelling!:-)  AND lately
> (since Christmas - trying Baking/Making HOME-BREW "Perfumes") on my
> own -- MY Question(s) IS:
>
> Could these (to me OBVIOUS) CROSSED? BRED? SPLICED? GRAFTED? ,type
> PLANTS be a CODED recipe of sorts???
>
> "f23r" - comes to mind 1st as a BEST example?  the CROSS-CONNECTED
> branch(s) seems like a simple "JOIN _IT_ ALL TOGETHER" RECIPE! :-)
>
> In "f23r" read top to bottom (PLANT first drawn on page - then
> charcters ADDED after drawing /btw bakers have ALWAYS stated in a
> recipe FIRST - WHAT you will NEED! THEN 2nd "HOW to put IT Together").
> Thus the PICTURE (recipe?) before the script? .. it's a woman thing??
> THEY (women) generally see/look at what "I HAVE" be they START
> anything.. we MEN say " I WANT a Nice Steak or SALAD whatever and try
> to make/GET  it!  H*ll don't ask me - I just married one (ha.haaa)
> anyway, (ask your wife or a woman ??)
>
> My:
> "se's little BAKEIT/ RECIPE of /Plants on f23r?"
>
> 2 (parts?) of the top flower (you name IT!)
>    mixed separately (ground/gotten/for    recipe)? per picture
> Steep/SOAK? BOTH in seperate containers (see splice/Grafting root)
>
> now ~Careful~ unless you can make your own Gravy (which women seem to
> KNOW?) you must first ADD a LITTLE of the HOT juices to the dry powder
> (flour? whatever ANY ground pulp stuff) BEFORE you INCLUDE it to the
> REST of the "expected mixture". (stops the Lumps in Gravey for those
> that ponder this steps oddity). The RIGHT SIDE of PLANT is the juicer!
>
> Back to f23r recipe..........
>  The right side of this plant (see another "doubler BRANCH") so the
> right side gets MORE attentions - TIME? Sunlight? Stirring? etc...
> ---------------
> COMPLEX ALCHEMY for any day, but COMMON in BAKING since the Beginning
> of TIME!?????
>  9 to 9 leaves - with Double on the right? recipe?? (less connection)
> then, 6 days? soak? bake? distill?, sun, bury? etc... (mixed now)
> ---------------
> NOTE the  TWO sides are "combined" (middle) BEFORE the root - CUT!!
> so BAKE
>    DISTILL?
>    BOIL
>                  TWO (2) TIMES (per split root)
>
> I hear the making of GUNPOWDER is 'seperated' until FINAL MIX?
>
> anyway- Q1: What is the MOST COMPLEX PLANT you have found in the VMS??
>
> Most Rx (ancient>? old days?) was soaking in liquid's or later
> distilled (arabs did this first)... the MIXTURE of all ingredients was
> all important! follow the RECIPE etc..
>
>  f35r would?/could? be a simple mixture 1+1 with 2? (root) things done
> to it?
>
> others like "f22v" would be much more laborious in the (Root) recipe?
> like lots of TIME or Distillation REDO's ??
>
> Just an idea?... while I hate the Eva chop-chop of characters - I
> wonder if this CHOPCHOP of a PLANT(s) and recipe numbering would help
> you make better sense of a given page?
>
> Best to you and your
> -=se=-
> steve (PLANT(s) a recipe?/mixture?) ekwall

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