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Re: VMs: Babelfish translation [plus question for Dana]
At 22:23 13/11/2003 +0000, Jeff wrote:
PS I did retrieve a phrase that babelfish translated as "I am devoted to the
beautiful one." Any ideas what this might possibly mean?
Sadly, it probably means that babelfish is often rubbish. :-(
Jeff - please understand that there is a *big* difference between EVA and
the glyphs you see in the scans - not only is <ch> almost certainly a
single glyph, but so is <sh> (though consistent, EVA's reuse of the <s>
character within <sh> has been [IMO rightly] criticised).
While I honestly have no idea whether you are trying the right kind of
approach or not, I'm quite sure that while you base it on an EVA
transcription, you won't find out. Look: <s> in EVA is manifestly a
different entity in <s> and <sh>, so your tables really shouldn't be
treating them as one thing (but they currently are).
A reasonable (yet fairly minimal) extended glyph set might well be based
Similarly, many read the <in>/<iin>/<iiin> strokes as a single glyph, so
these too might well be fruitfully considered as single glyphs.
IMO, there's also a strong case for treating these pairs as if they formed
Also: you may want to consider using a different line of text as your
testbed. Philip Neal and others (myself included) have pointed out numerous
times that the two single-leg gallows (<p> and <f>) are often found close
to incongruous-looking pieces of text, especially on the top line of pages.
Also: the transcription on f1r isn't really as clear as it could be - the
page itself appears worn out, probably from having been on the outside of
the Ms for five centuries. :-)
So... I'd suggest finding some clearer text to work from (and avoiding the
topmost line if possible), perhaps on a herbal page where there is a
reasonably good match with a known plant. However, these two criteria
overlap incompletely - for example, f11r has extraordinarily clear text,
but f2v has an excellent plant identification ("nanufar", Nymphaea alba).
Dana - as a general point, which herbal page would you suggest offers the
optimal combination of textual clarity plus reliable plant identification?
Finally: Jeff, you're getting to the stage where doing this kind of thing
by hand will consume all your time (and more). Please install Python on
your machine and adapt Seth's script to do the things you want - really,
you'll save yourself a *lot* of hassle.
Cheers, .....Nick Pelling.....
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