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*To*: <vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx>*Subject*: Re: VMs: John Dee tables*From*: "Jeff" <jeff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>*Date*: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 21:27:20 -0000*References*: <20040107074629.34354.qmail@web40406.mail.yahoo.com>*Reply-to*: vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx*Sender*: owner-vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx

Rene Zandbergen r_zandbergen@xxxxxxxxx on 07 January 2004 07:46 > Hello Jeff, > > could you elaborate a bit more? > > Rene > > --- Jeff <jeff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > This was written using tables created by John Dee > > > > ar.airi.earri.esndni.la.airi.venso > > arneairi.lagagaab.evni.so.ariabeg > > solgaab.aoofio.origaab.esgagaab > > aeopga.momgeg.ofasrr.agagaab.evniso > > rigaab.olrigaab.oairi.vzaeea.gairi > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ In John Dee's Mysteriorum, Liber Tertius there is a diagram of 7 tables. Each table is a 7 x 7 grid. Each cell contains a letter of the latin alphabet along with a number from 1 to 49. Selecting number sequences, where each individual number selects a letter from the position in the next available table will produce repetition when number sequences with the same pattern of digits is used. A rule needs to be developed as to which table will be ths start table for a word of any given length. As an example. If we have the number sequence, 1 9 25 40 2, this will give us a 5 letter word. If we make a rule that the digits 1-7 must always start in table 1, digits 8-14 in table 2 etc, then we can easily devise a number system to generate repetition. As we only ever have 49 indexes the patterns have more chance of repeating if the rules are strict enough. When I analysed unique pair withing words of the first 19 pages of the VMS I found exactly 168 of them. 168 divided by 7 is 24. This could indicate that a modified method using 7 tables 6 x 4 could have been used. Let me know what you think Rene. I believe it would be an alternative answer to the Cardan Grille. Jeff NOTE: I have not checked the pair statistics on the whole VMS, but 168 in the first 19 pages seems a bit too odd considering the tables I found. ______________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxx with a body saying: unsubscribe vms-list

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