Re: VMs: Re: Re: WM, Hieronymus Bosch and Edward Kelley

[Mariusz Wesolowski <shamshir@xxxxxxx>]

Hello Rafal,

You have made a very good point about Kelley. Producing a manuscript like
the VMS - a time-consuming task - just for 600 ducats does not seem like a
very good idea (unless he commissioned it from someone else). Well, this is
all just speculation.

Also, one would expect from Kelley something more "magical" - a grimoire
full of diagrams and magic circles, all that jazz, not a book that looks
like a cross between a herbal and a gynecological manual.

Regards,

Mariusz


----- Original Message -----
From: "Rafal T. Prinke" <rafalp@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: VMs: Re: Re: WM, Hieronymus Bosch and Edward Kelley


> Hi Mariusz,
>
> > Rafal, I am really pleased to finally make your acquaintance. Actually,
we
> > have met before, in print, on the pages of Adam McLean's "A Compendium
on
> > the Rosicrucian Vault".
>
> Thanks - that was light years ago!
>
> > As for the link with Kelley, it is also based on the fact that he was
> > supposedly after Emperor Rudolph's money.
>
> But "supposedly" is the key word here, which should be typed in
> bold and underlined. From what I have been able to find out,
> he got land estates from Rozmberk - not from Rudolf. Actually,
> very little is known for sure as it all comes from 19th c.
> Czech amateur historians who did not quote their sources.
> The only case of proved contact of Rudolf with Kelley is
> a letter quoted by Evans (Rudolf II and his world) in which
> he asked Rozmberk to send Kelley to Prague because he needed
> an expert to help with an alchemical operation they were
> carrying out in the castle laboratory.
>
> This shows how highly regarded his skills were - both by Rozmberk
> and Rudolf. In such situation it would have been absurd
> on his part to waste time producing something like the VMS
> if he was paid a lot for just supervising alchemical operations
> and giving advice. He got several villages and an enormous
> house in Prague just for that - worth many, many times more
> than the 600 ducats.
>
> > By the way, do you know of any drawings by Kelley? I used to dabble a
little
> > in the Enochian Magic, mostly from the historical angle, but this was a
> > while ago.
>
> I am not sure - there are a few drawings in Dee's manuscripts,
> some of which might have been drawn by Kelley. But they are
> nothing similar to the VMS.
>
> > The rest of your posting, Rafal, was quite new to me. I know very, very
> > little about the Voynich Ms. Which of the existing books about it would
you
> > recommend to me?
>
> Certainly d'Imperio _The Voynich Manuscript - An Elegant Enigma_
> is still the best summary. Concerning the Dee/Kelley hypothesis you may
> have a look at my on-line article:
>
>   http://hum.amu.edu.pl/~rafalp/HERM/VMS/vms.htm
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rafal
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