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Re: VMs: RE: The key

John, your suggestion to Jeff is not fair. " Why aren't you arguing that
John Stojko's
translation of the VMS is correct and that he has solved the VMS? "

My solution does not need any argument - it is transparent. But you
suggested that Jeff should, I would like to suggest how it should be done.

  1.. He should learn Voynich alphabet given in my Home Page.
  2.. He should have some knowledge of Ukrainian language.
  3.. Now he will be able to read the VMs text and made his conclusion for
or against my decipherment.

If he does not know Ukrainian, his effort will be wasted. He may learn the
alphabet and by following my example, transliterate Voynich alphabet
consisting of consonants, into Ukrainian or English alphabet. But that is
not all. He has to add vowels. If he knows Ukrainian the vowels will be
added as required in Ukrainian language. If does not know Ukrainian, the
vowels will be added according to his judgment based on his knowledge of his
language or believe. The final result will be nothing else but gibberish

Jeff believes that his approach leads to final solution. Obviously his
approach differs from my, yours and many others. But at this stage where he
is, it is too early to make any judgment. Let him believe and work. I do
respect people that believe because, believe is not the truth but it is key
to success and to the final truth. Once he reaches the final conclusion-the
truth- he will stop to believe. Until than, he should be encouraged not

John stojko

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Grove" <4groves@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2004 9:50 AM
Subject: RE: VMs: RE: The key

> Jeff >I have never seen anyone try to move others ideas along here. The
> criticisms are put forward. No one tries to replicate. What does anyone
> gain? Unless someone posts a section of the VMS in plaintext their will
> always be reasons
> to doubt. I'd rather be in the vacuum than get no help at all. People are
> too keen to cling to their own theories. I have changed mine along the way
> several times when it has become apparent that they didn't fit. I have
> notposted information on everything I have been working on.
> Read a little deeper in the archives and I think you'll see a lot of
> collaboraton. For example, many of us don't really support the Chinese
> Theory - but points were raised from a lot of list members about the
> potential viability of such a theory. However, those who were following
> those theories never made a claim to have the answer. That's where you
> find a lot of criticisms brought forward. Honestly, people have tried to
> replicate proposed solutions - but they often fall apart very quickly. It
> isn't that everybody wants the author to be wrong... it's just that nobody
> CAN replicate the solution. Why aren't you arguing that John Stojko's
> translation of the VMS is correct and that he has solved the VMS?
> about your theories aren't necessarily criticism - they may be a lot of
> noise that distracts your focus - but it is almost always offered in the
> line of 'if this is the answer - how come I can't replicate the results
> following a set of basic rules'. Hostilities do exist from time to time in
> email exchanges when someone might persist they have the right answer -
> are angry that nobody is saying to them - yeah, you are absolutely right.
> Your case has been so well argued that we can't doubt you have the
> solution - good job. Reality sucks. If we can't convince people we are
> right - we either try a new angle to convince them or run away mad. It
> a lot of perserverence to keep trying against all odds, especially if you
> really start convincing yourself the whole world wants you to fail.
> Nick > I think it's fairly true to say that just about everyone (when
> to grasp the VMs) goes through a period when it seems they can see
> that nobody else can. However, this is merely a temporary hallucination -
> Jeff > Is that a statement of fact I see there? EVERYONE? A very bold
> assumption to make.
> Nick did say 'just about'.  Nonetheless, there are some facts unrelated to
> the VMS one could state based on un-confirmed assumptions >> I assume it
> a fact that EVERYONE on the list is human. That's a pretty sound fact in
> view - although, even scientific fact has fallen to later discoveries that
> errors were made. I think Nick isn't quite right that it's a phase or a
> period where they see something nobody else can... we all see lots of
> in there that nobody else can, but which hints and clues are verifiably
> accurate?
> John.
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