Re: VMs: Another VMS idea?

["Jeff" <jeff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Just use my friends trick of adding a set pattern in front of vowels.

So that "That's what made it seem compelling to me".

Becomes...
"tharpat's wharpat marpadarpe arpit sarpearpem carpomparpellarping tarpo
marpe".

If each vowel and particular consonants had fixed prefixes then you get the
required repetition.

Also word boundaries could be shortened by breaking after the selected
vowels or consonants. If say four tables of prefixes were used on a rolling
basis the prefixes would alter as each new table was selected.

Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Roux" <LRoux@xxxxxxx>
To: <vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: 12 April 2004 19:26
Subject: Re: VMs: Another VMS idea?


> That's what made it seem compelling to me.
>
>    T   H  I     S   I   S   A    T     E      S     T
> FRO GS  AR E FRO  GS ARE  FR OGS  AR EF ROG SA RE FR OGS ARE
>
> FROTGS HARIE FROS GSIARES FRAOGS TAR EREROG SASRE FRTOGS ARE
>
> you get instances of similar words:  "FROTGS, FRAOGS, FRTOGS" that are one
character different.  Very Voy like in that regard.  Of course that may be
due to my particular example....
>
> I was originally trying to determine how you could have a cipher that is
not a simple substitution cipher but still retain a normal-esque character
frequency graph.  Now if I can find some sort of pattern that others have
missed......
>
>
>
>
> ******************************
> Larry Roux
> Syracuse University
> lroux@xxxxxxx
> *******************************
>
> >>> knoxmix@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 04/12/04 01:50PM >>>
> Hello Larry,
>
> It is interesting that your example gives a peculiar and difficult to
> describe repetition similar to that of the VMS. The possibility of
> there being two intermingled languages has been mentioned somewhere
> but the rationale for the statement was not given. Various sorting of
> letters on different lines might give a clue to your encryption and
> determine the method of substitution if the method is not too
> variable. It would be tedious unless there is a shortcut. Aside from
> professional recognition of types of ciphers,  how much historical
> codebreaking involved clues not in the cipher itself?
>
> Ciao .......... Knox
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