Re: VMs: Another VMS idea?

["Jeff" <jeff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

P.S. I suggested this prefix idea ages ago and was completely ignored. Ain't
life strange.

Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Roux" <LRoux@xxxxxxx>
To: <vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: 12 April 2004 19:26
Subject: Re: VMs: Another VMS idea?


> That's what made it seem compelling to me.
>
>    T   H  I     S   I   S   A    T     E      S     T
> FRO GS  AR E FRO  GS ARE  FR OGS  AR EF ROG SA RE FR OGS ARE
>
> FROTGS HARIE FROS GSIARES FRAOGS TAR EREROG SASRE FRTOGS ARE
>
> you get instances of similar words:  "FROTGS, FRAOGS, FRTOGS" that are one
character different.  Very Voy like in that regard.  Of course that may be
due to my particular example....
>
> I was originally trying to determine how you could have a cipher that is
not a simple substitution cipher but still retain a normal-esque character
frequency graph.  Now if I can find some sort of pattern that others have
missed......
>
>
>
>
> ******************************
> Larry Roux
> Syracuse University
> lroux@xxxxxxx
> *******************************
>
> >>> knoxmix@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 04/12/04 01:50PM >>>
> Hello Larry,
>
> It is interesting that your example gives a peculiar and difficult to
> describe repetition similar to that of the VMS. The possibility of
> there being two intermingled languages has been mentioned somewhere
> but the rationale for the statement was not given. Various sorting of
> letters on different lines might give a clue to your encryption and
> determine the method of substitution if the method is not too
> variable. It would be tedious unless there is a shortcut. Aside from
> professional recognition of types of ciphers,  how much historical
> codebreaking involved clues not in the cipher itself?
>
> Ciao .......... Knox
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