Re: VMs: What do you think about Eight?

["DANA SCOTT" <dscott520@xxxxxxx>]

I find the "Wheel of the Year" to be of interest.  It appears to tie a 
number of aspects seen in the VMS together.

Wheel of the Year:

http://www.starcraftsob.com/craft/images/wheellarge.jpg
http://www.starcraftsob.com/craft/wheel.shtml
http://stelalunastreasures.com/Website/parchmentsprints/Wheel%20of%20the%20year.JPG
http://www.acrimony.org/cards/wheel_of_the_year.jpg
http://www.hobsgreen.com/festivals/index.html
http://www.moonlightmysteries.com/statuary/details/wheel01.jpg
http://www.glamourjunkies.com/wych/art/wheelhigh.jpg
http://www.gothicimage.co.uk/books/sacredcelebs1.html
http://www.mothersmagic.net/theology/wheeloftheyear.html
http://www.llewellynencyclopedia.com/search.php?a_sec=wheel+of+the+year&start=10
http://www.levity.com/alchemy/rosesymb.html


Regards,
Dana Scott

http://www.orio.net/dic/pa/palkak.htm



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pamela Richards" <spirlhelix@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 5:18 AM
Subject: Re: VMs: What do you think about Eight?


> Hi, Jean, Nick, Dana and any others!
>
> To me, the most intriguing thing about eight is that
> because it is so seldom used in Western astrology
> there are only a few possible things it might signify.
> Due to the paucity of references to eight in
> astrology, I have expanded my search for the possible
> meanings of eight to the conceptually aligned areas of
> magic and gnossis.
>
> I believe chances are good to excellent that Dee would
> have read Agrippa, since Dee was a mage and
> necessarily would have been familiar with this
> widely-published source of information about magic.
> Of course, we know also that it was not necessary for
> Dee to have been connected with the VMs, as Jean
> pointed out to me in a recent conversation on another
> list.
>
> Eight is used consistently through illustrations of
> the VMs.
>
> There is the prominent eight-limbed spiral shape
> (Jean, is this the page you call a rose?); in
> addition, there are many eight-divided circular
> charts, although I am unable to evaluate their precise
> incidence because I do not know whether I have viewed
> all the circular charts yet.  There are eight of them,
> at least; whether there are more, I'm not sure I can
> say.
>
> Significantly, I think, to the VMS document is the
> reference to the eighth sphere of the heavens, the
> sphere of the fixed stars.  These stars would be any
> which were "fixed", or non-moving in relation to one
> another, in contrast to the "wanderings stars", the
> planets.  Each of the fixed stars was said to
> represent an angel.  I find this an intriguing
> reference because of the many nymphs, each pointing to
> a star.  Stars also appear in the margins of one
> portion of the document.
>
> This one-to-one correspondence between slightly
> pot-bellied ladies and stars makes me think of the
> belief that each person born was thought to have
> brought in a immortal spirit connected with the
> effects of a particular, unique star.  The stars are
> immortal, so this correspodence is what is said to
> give us our immortal natures.  I will look for some
> references to contemporary teachings on this subject.
>
> And Agrippa, interestingly, also mentions the number
> eight in connection with Orpheus and "corporeall"
> existence--life in the mortal body.  Eight was the
> number of Orphic hymns.  Orpheus, in Greek mythology,
> took on the task of "re-incorporating"  his wife,
> Euridice.  This he accomplished through singing his
> hymns.  There are those on this list who think certain
> parts the material of the VMs are songs, so I wonder
> if the reference to Orpheus might interest them.
>
> I believe a theme of the Orphic mystery religion was
> reincarnation, which as a topic also brings to mind
> the (pregnant?) ladies star-catching (a ritual?
> obtaining immortal spirits for their babies?) on the
> pages of the VMs.
>
> I hope you will also have a look at the material on
> the Eighth and Ninth which I posted earlier.  The
> content ties in to the fixed stars and their role in
> creating immortal spirits for mankind.  Interestingly,
> the initiation to become one of these "eighth"
> entities (stars) involves the initiate's writing a
> book in heiroglyphics, a book that is not meant to be
> read or understood in the usual sense.
>
> All very interesting.  We will see where it leads.
>
> Warmly,
>
> Pam
>
> --- jean-yves artero <jyartero@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Hi, Pam, Nick, anybody listening (;-))...
> >
> > Well, hum, the question Pam asks is what do you
> > think? Pam you although are aware it's the hardest
> > one!
> >
> > Ah about eight, oh yes. I better see, now. Quite
> > nice a figure, Pam, certainly. You are proposing an
> > excerpt of Agrippa, about "the  eight", which is of
> > course very interesting.
> >
> > Here is a relevant site.
> >
> > http://www.esotericarchives.com/agrippa/agrippa2.htm
> >
> > If there is a VMS connection to Dee, then there
> > could be a VMS connection to Agrippa and Trithemius.
> > For sure.
> >
> > I have no particular idea about the main
> > significance of number eight, some in the list tell
> > that it is the one for death and rebirth:
> >
> > http://www.voynich.net/Arch/2003/05/msg00104.html
> >
> > I certainly donnot disagree. One possible
> > explanation is that after the seven days of creation
> > you have ( plus one ) the backlash to unity, if you
> > are an adept of the pendulum cosmology of course.
> >
> > Gurdjieff according to some gnostic sources used to
> > say that eight has something to do with the Emerald
> > Tablet and the celestial influences within. Why not,
> > I precisely encountered some alchemical gnostical
> > views on the eight:
> >
> > http://www.hermetic.com/sabazius/mass_alch.htm
> >
> > This second one is more for fun ( sorry if there is
> > a member in the list, no offense I was really
> > interested in browsing this site ):
> >
> > http://alchemicalorder.com/octagon.htm
> >
> > I have to admit I am not totally convinced yet by
> > the two above pages; however as perhaps already
> > said, this number eight which is not an apparent big
> > one in alchemy ( my horse for a kingdom ) could
> > nevertheless have some meaningful employment in some
> > cases:
> >
> > http://www.rosegathering.com/petals.html
> >
> > Eight roses petals, why not? Now we are back in the
> > vicinity of VMS:
> >
> > http://www.voynich.net/Arch/2002/04/msg00103.html
> >
> > "we have plenty of
> > six, seven and even eight-pointed stars with a dot
> > in the center - that has
> > to mean something good, right?"
> >
> > and this one, "en cache":
> >
> >
> http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:GeKm8fb1ZjYJ:www.voynich.net/Archive/msg00262.html+EIGHT+NUMBER&hl=fr&safe=vss
> >
> > "Possible words to look for:
> >
> > Tycho Brahe, Tycho de Brahe, Tyge Brahe, Tychonis
> > Brahe,
> > De Nova Stella (the book he wrote on it), Cassiope,
> > Cassiopeia, Cassieopeia
> >
> > I could still be barking up the wrong tree, and it
> > depicts
> > Kepler's Star-- the supernova of 1604 in Ophiuchus.
> >
> > One astronomical event that is conspicuous by its
> > absence
> > is the Great Comet of 1577.  I've seen on several
> > websites
> > a woodcut of the comet as seen over Prague. It may
> > be that
> > the "galaxy" on f68r is actually the nucleus of the
> > comet, and
> > f68r2 is its position in the sky.
> >
> > And f68v3 may be the eclipse of the Moon  8 December
> > 1573.
> > The female face is the Earth; the rays are from the
> > Sun, which
> > is covered.
> >
> > I think the idea that the number of points of a star
> > is a rough
> > estimate of its magnitude should be abandoned, as
> > it's just
> > not working out.  In Tycho's book, there is a
> > picture showing
> > where the nova was, and all the stars are
> > eight-point, just
> > different sizes for magnitude."
> >
> > Pam, do you prefer roses or stars, or do you think
> > that they are bearing the same meaning? Any other
> > thought?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Jean
> >
> > Pamela Richards <spirlhelix@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Hi, Nick , Jean and List!
> >
> > Here is a quote from Cornelius Agrippa's second Book
> > of Occult Philosophy on the significance of the
> > number
> > eight. Any comments are welcome!
> >
> >
> > Warmly,
> >
> > Pam
> >
> > "The Pythagoreans call eight the number of justice,
> > and fulness: first, because it is first of all
> > divided
> > into numbers equally even, viz. into four, and that
> > division is by the same reason made into twice two,
> > viz. by twice two twice; and by reason of this
> > equality of division, it took to it self the name of
> > justice, but the other received the name, viz. of
> > fulness, by reason of the contexture of the
> > corporeall
> > solidity, since the first makes a solid body. Hence
> > that custome of Orpheus, swearing by eight dieties
> > [deities], if at any time he would beseech divine
> > justice, whose names are these. Fire, Water, Earth,
> > the Heaven, Moon, Sun, Phanes, the Night. There are
> > also only eight visible Spheres of the heavens: also
> > by it the property of corporeall nature is
> > signified,
> > which Orpheus comprehends in eight of his Sea songs.
> > This is also called the covenant of circumcision,
> > which was commanded to be done by the Jewes the
> > eight
> > day.
> >
> > There were also in the old Law eight ornaments of
> > the
> > Priest, viz. a breast-plate, a coat, a girdle, a
> > myter
> > [miter], a robe, an Ephod, a girdle of the Ephod, a
> > golden plate; hither\ belongs the number to
> > eternity,
> > and the end of the world, because it follows the
> > number seven, which is the mysterie [mystery] of
> > time:
> > hence also the number of blessedness; for Christ
> > teacheth so many degrees of blessednesses, as you
> > may
> > see in Matthew: It is also called the number of
> > safety, and conservation, for there were so many
> > souls
> > of the sons of Jesse, from which David was the
> > eighth.
> > Also Zacharias, the father of John, received his
> > speech the eighth day. They say this number was
> > dedicated to Dionysius, because he was born the
> > eighth
> > moneth, in everlasting memory whereof, Naxos the
> > Iland
> > [island] was dedicated to him, which obtained this
> > prerogative, that only the women of Naxos should
> > safely bring forth in the eighth moneth, and their
> > children should live, whereas the children of the
> > eighth moneth in other Nations dy [die], and their
> > mothers then bringing forth are in manifest danger.
> >
> > The Scale of the Number eight.
> > The name of God with eight letters. Eloha Vadaath
> > zrce
> > del` Jehovah Vedaath, zrce dedi In the Originall.
> > Eight rewards of the blessed. Inheritance.
> > Incorruption. Power. Victory. The vision of God.
> > Grace. A Kingdom. Joy. In the Intelligible world.
> > Eight visible Heavens. The Starry Heaven. The Heaven
> > if Saturn. The Heaven of Jupiter. The Heaven of
> > Mars.
> > The Heaven of the Sun. The Heaven of Venus. The
> > Heaven of Mercury. The Heaven of the Moon. In the
> > Celestiall world.
> > Eight particular qualities. The dryness of the
> > earth.
> > The coldness of the water. The moisture of the aire.
> >
> > The heat of the fire. The heat of the aire. The
> > moisture of the water. The dryness of the fire. The
> > coldness of the earth. In the Elementary world.
> > Eight kinds of blessed men. The peace makers. That
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
>
> =====
> "I'd rather learn from one bird how to sing, than to teach ten thousand 
> stars how not to dance."
>
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