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VMs: Crowned nymph in Libra. . .
Hi, Nick!
I should be careful about posting so early in the day!
That ought to read "Spica, most benefic star", rather
than planet.
Warmly,
Pam
--- Pamela Richards <spirlhelix@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi, Nick
>
> Thanks for your previous post clearing up my
> reference
> to rulership of Cancer and Leo.
>
> Lots of good information here; thank you. That site
> on the fixed stars is very informative. I use it
> constantly. Just be careful of "modern"
> interpretations of the meaning of the stars, which
> are
> very different in content (I mean post-1700) and of
> course would not apply in VMs times.
>
> One point of clarification: Zubeneschamali,
> although
> located in the constellation Libra, is found in the
> sign of Scorpio. Currently at 19 Scorpio, we could
> subtract 7 degrees to get back to approximate VMs
> dates (I'm saying 500 years ago), which would put
> Zubeneschemali at 12 Scorpio at the time of the VMs.
>
> This is based on the calculation that approximately
> every 72 years, the stars appear to move forward one
> degree.
>
> If the nymph is thought to be in the sign Libra, my
> vote is cast for Spica, which is held to be the most
> benefic planet in the heavens. Why deal with
> anything
> less than the best? Smile. Spica is now at 23
> Libra;
> subtract 7 and you have 16 Libra at the time of the
> VMs. Hmmm . . . using your system, perhaps this is
> an
> indication that the VMs postdates 1500 by about 72
> years, giving us your 17 Libra location?
>
> I do wish we had different names for constellations
> and signs! It would save some confusion. Sigh.
>
> Warmly,
>
> Pam
>
> --- Nick Pelling <nickpelling@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > The brightest star in Libra (which is ruled by
> > Venus, astrologically) is
> > historically thought to be Zubeneschamali, which I
> > don't believe has been
> > mentioned on-list before. :-) There's a
> > long-standing tradition that this
> > star has a greenish tinge: and perhaps it did,
> > several hundred years ago
> > (though it does seem white today):-
> >
> >
> >
>
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/astronomy/skywatch_000612.html
> >
> > Although Libra is not the most exciting
> > constellation in terms of
> > "deep-sky wonders" for small telescopes,
> it
> > contains a curious
> > star that has been cause for discussion
> for
> > centuries. The star's
> > name is Zubeneschamali, or easier to
> > remember, the "Northern Claw".
> >
> > The debate began with the Greek
> astronomer
> > Eratosthenes. (He's
> > the one who made the first almost-dead-on
> > calculation of the
> > circumference of the Earth in 240 BC or
> > thereabouts.) Eratosthenes
> > compiled a catalog of some 675 stars in
> > which he measured their
> > position, and estimated their brightness
> > and color. Zubeneschamali,
> > said Eratosthenes, was the brightest star
> > in Libra and in Scorpius,
> > even outshining Antares, which we
> recognize
> > as the brightest star
> > in that region today.
> >
> > A century or so later, another Greek
> > astronomer, Ptolemy, found
> > the star equal to Antares in brightness.
> > ...
> >
> > BTW, the way I count the nymphs is innermost
> circles
> > first, then clockwise
> > from sunrise (on the left): this makes the Libra
> > crowned nymph roughly the
> > 17th degree of Libra. FWIW, William Lilly
> associated
> > this degree with the
> > fixed star Seginus: and perhaps the two
> > "semi-crowned nymphs" side-by-side
> > in Libra (just below the [left] ascendant on the
> > outer ring) are Spica and
> > Arcturus?
> >
> http://www.astrologycom.com/fixedstars.html
> >
> > Here's a good site listing astrologically
> > significant fixed stars. Note
> > that this lists different star positions in 1900
> and
> > in 2000: for example,
> > Seginus is apparently marked as being 16LIB60 in
> > 1900 and 17LIB40 in 2000.
> > Are there any software apps which calculate the
> > positions of these
> > (not-so-)fixed stars in history?
> >
> > http://www.winshop.com.au/annew/new_page_1.htm
> >
> > FWIW, the entry for Seginus (the left shoulder of
> > Bootes, the ploughman) on
> > this site says:-
> >
> > Manilius 1st century AD writes "they will
> > be kings under kings and
> > ministers of state, and be charged with
> the
> > guardianship of the
> > people,
> > custodianship of great houses and
> > treasures, who confine their
> > business to the care of another's home so
> > that the wealth of
> > monarchs and temple finances will be in
> > their keeping".
> >
> > Any type of occupation that requires
> > planning is influenced by Bootes.
> > These people are the driving force behind
> > government and large
> > corporations. They are the planners and
> > designers, the movers and
> > shakers, who "make the world go round".
> > Bootes symbolizes the
> > elder, the sage, the wise old man who is
> > interested in principles
> > and underlying causes, theories,
> > ideologies, and how the past
> > effects [sic] the future. (Conservative)
> > politicians, economists,
> > draftsmen, architects, designers of all
> > kinds.
> >
> > The same site's discussion of Antares links it to
> > the Four Horsemen of the
> > Apocalypse (which links to the recent thread on
> > Strega, where I mentioned
> > the Four Grigori, or Watchers), mirroring another
> > October 2000 VMs-list
> > post by Bradley Schaefer:-
> >
> > [Antares] is one of the four key stars in
> > the heavens, also called
> > archangel stars. Michael (Aldebaran)
> > watcher of the East. Gabriel
> > (Fomalhaut) watcher of the South. Raphael
> > (Regulus) Watcher of
> > the North. Oriel (Antares) Watcher of the
> > West. At one time they
> > marked the two Equinoxes and two
> Solstices.
> > Aldebaran marked
> > the zero Aries point in 3044 BC, Antares
> > marked zero Libra 3052
> > BC, Fomalhaut marked zero Capricorn, 2582
> > BC, Regulus marked
> > zero Cancer 2345 BC. As one of the four
> > Royal stars of Persia it's
> > name was Satevis; but, as their lunar
> > asterism, it was Gel, the
> > "Red"; the Sogdians changing this to
> Maghan
> > sadwis, the "Great
> > One" saffron-colored.
> >
> > They have been characterized as Horses,
> > reflected both in the famed
> > Four Horsemen of Apocalypse (Revelations
> 6)
> > and Chariot Horses
> > in the Book of Zechariah.
> >
> > So: overall, the question is this: is the crowned
>
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