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Re: Fwd: Re: VMs: evmt, database, gb, lull, etc.
Yes - Jan thanks for the info.
Unfortunately, Ramon's mind is still opaque to me. I
understand the general idea of associating concepts to
locations on the combinatoric wheel and combining them
in ways to produce true statements. But how to really
work them to answer a simple original question or,
more to my interest in the VMS, could the
transcription of a series of combinations of the
wheels represent a line of reasoning or discussion?
"AB BAC BAD BAE CAE CA C AC ABC"
=
"This plant is good, since animals feed on plants, and
so this plant is good for sicknesses from these
animals." (i.e. you could use it to cure snake bite)
Or something of the sort. I just put some Lull-ish
gibberish in there. Combining letters together from
wheels to form words is in itself nothing terribly
insightful - showing there is method and meaning to
the overall structure would be.
Also, there is some mention of alchemy re: Lull. FWIW,
the little I have read states that essentially all
alchemical work attributed to Lull is not by him.
Thanks,
Eric
--- jean-yves artero <jyartero@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Eric,
>
> About lull, this page is too of VMS interest
> (thanks, Jan).
>
> Jean
>
> http://hurontaria.baf.cz/VM/a17.htm
>
> jean-yves artero <jyartero@xxxxxxxx> wrote:Date:
> Sat, 23 Oct 2004 20:00:03 +0200 (CEST)
> De: jean-yves artero
> Objet: Re: VMs: evmt, database, gb, lull, etc.
> À: vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Hi, Eric and Pam,
>
> This is probably neither OT on topic nor OT off
> topic, but I would say in the margins of it, and
> anyway I could not resist:
>
> http://www.maxmon.com/1274ad.htm
>
> http://www.colorsystem.com/projekte/engl/61arse.htm
>
> Leibniz is quoted in both sites, I think, and GB in
> one of them. Otherwise I am interested in the fact
> that our beloved AT is present too. And moreover
> about alchemy, of course. Smile.
>
> I think that Yates is a good analyst of lullian
> contribution to logic. I am not an informatician,
> but I have the impression that this contribution is
> not far away from some modern attempts to
> rationalize and organize thought. I am possibly
> quite wrong about this.
>
> RL is an interesting case for VMS I think, but I
> don't remember of any significant effort to link him
> with the manuscript studied. I read a recent book in
> Spanish which argues about the RL authorship of VMS
> but found nothing really consistent in it. However
> my Spanish is poor:
>
>
http://www.alibris.com/search/search.cfm?qwork=7797901&wauth=Perez%2C%20Mario&ptit=El%20Manuscrito%20Voynich&pauth=Perez%2DRuiz%2C%20Mario%20M%2E&pisbn=8475562167&pqty=1&pqtynew=0&pbest=24%2E94&matches=1&qsort=r
>
>
> It s mentionned in Wikipedia (smile again), but not
> in Kennedy and Churchill's bibliography.
>
> Yours,
>
> Jean
>
> Pamela Richards <spirlhelix@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi, Eric
>
> Watch those insidious modern "interpretations"!
> Smile.
>
> "If controversies were to arise, there would be no
> more need of disputation between two philosophers
> than
> between two accountants. For it would suffice to
> take
> their pencils in their hands, and say to each other:
> Let us calculate."
>
> Gottfried Von Leibniz
>
> I like this guy's thinking.
>
> Warmly,
>
> Pam
>
> --- Eric wrote:
>
> > All:
> >
> > Where can I find the "standard" programs mentioned
> > so
> > often in the archives (bitrans, monkey, etc.)? All
> I
> > keep finding are dead links to Landini's old
> page...
> >
> > Also, before I embark on building a database of
> the
> > transcription(s) (I have been just parsing from
> text
> > files using Icon for now) with page tables and
> > letter
> > tables and "word" tables etc., this task has been
> > done
> > before by members. Does anyone have a database
> they
> > would like to share? If not, I'll go build one and
> > share it (standard non-guarantees regarding
> > timelines
> > with freeware apply), but wanted to check first.
> >
> > Finally, nice to see Giordano mentioned again.
> I've
> > finished "The Art of Memory" and started on
> > "Giordano
> > Bruno and the Hermetic Tradition". The archives
> have
> > sparse mention of him (unless my searches are
> > wrong).
> > Pardom me Pam (smile), but I need to read the
> modern
> > mind summary first before I dive into the original
> > text - at least I'm using a respectable source.
> It's
> > just too damn hard for me to wrap my brain around
> > the
> > medieval/renaissance mindset cold turkey.
> >
> > Speaking of which... blessed Ramon Lull is another
> > interesting (and possibly relevant) figure. I've
> > read
> > what there is in Yates and gathered some on the
> Web,
> > but he is impenetrable to me - I understand only
> in
> > the most cursory sense his Art. Any leads on a
> good
> > introduction to Lull's Art (that is kind to the
> > modern
> > Western scientific mind - so that excludes
> > lullianarts.net :)? Also, I have found little
> > mention
> > of him in the archives. All very dead ends I
> guess?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Eric
> >
> >
> >
> >
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