As you saw in my recent answer to you prevous posting there is basically no disagreement between us about our "appraisal" of Gordon's work.
We too agree upon the idea that Edward is still one of the possible candidates, in spite of Gordon's bias.
Perhaps Edward was a rascal, but he was more than that. Otherwise, as you rightly point it, he would not have foolished people like John, Rudolf, etc, so many months & years along.
For instance, as you probably already know, he is said to be the author of alchemical treatises, which are not that bad, it seems...they are sophisticated. And to some extent, Enochian is.
Your further point about Thaddeus looks to be especially interesting ; as I understand it, you mean he was one of Rudolf's buying experts. On this one, I would be glad to know more, references, etc.
But perhaps they are already available in your VMS site. I ll have a look at it (once again).
Hi Jean,
sorry for all those typos in my last letter, I could not see my keyboard well and I never learned typing by heart anyway.
Frankly, my objection against Kelley as an author is based on shortage of any proof - an d without any emotional bias from my side. True, I find in his life several episodes which indicate that he believed in many things he was promoting so I would not qualify him simply as a pure rascal at all times and at any cost. And even if I could believe he could, that is a faraway song from qualifying him as a author of such sophisticated document as the VM certainly is. Since I can think about five more possible candidates for VM authorship and I do not have proof for them neither, he just have to wait his turn in my preferences :-).
What I do object emotionally as well as rationally is the methods promoting his authorship. We cannot work by assuming Kelely was the author, then take some of his personal characteristics and use them backwards to prove he was the author, ignoring other that prove the opposite. Gordon knows it so he dropped on the scale another pebble: Kelley wrote in the VM only gibberish, he says. He does not explain why would Kelley take such risk, never being able to show he can solve it. Of course Gordon cannot prove it is a gibberish and he knows he cannot prove it - after all he is an expert in cryptology. Some time ago, I suggested to pose him a challenge: we will provide ten samples of encoded text, only one of them being encoded gibberish. If he can find which one is teh gibberish, we woudl admit he knows we do n ot know. Contraryu to his "feebleminded" Kelley, Gord would never accept such challenge :-).
By the way, Rudolph was not so easy to be fooled,as m any people think: he had experts who screened the stuff he was buying Thaddeus Hajek was one of those persons. Who is hoever easy to be fooled are Gordon Ruggs readers.
Jan.
Hi Jeff,
If I understand well, and without grinning myself, your main point is now that John Dee did not
write the VMS. Interesting. Why?
However you state that somebody could have seen a John Dee MS with VMS characters in
it. Did you? In that case, Dee knew about VMS characters. If those VMS characters were not a finding by Dee, which is still to demonstrate, your assomption is probably that VMS characters were the creation of somebody else. Great.
Why are they not Dee's invention? Who is the inventor? Roger Bacon?
Even in that case, Edward Kelley could theoretically have rewritten the VMS after he met John
Dee, or why not before, if there is a third man/woman?
Jean
Jeff <jeff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Jean-yves
Well, when you have seen a John Dee MS with VMS characters in it that was written
before he met Edward Kelley it makes the case for you. However John Dee did not
write the VMS.
*grin*
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 30 October 2004 11:07
Subject: Re: VMs: Highly uneven word distribution
Hi Jeff
This is a clearcut and therefore very interesting statement. Perhaps you will be so kind as to share with others the reasons you had to make it.
IMHO the best way to be sure is to have an evidence of whom wrote the VMS ( and this man or woman was not Edward Kelley ) and of the fact he did it alone and hence in that case without any help from Talbot. Are we here at the moment? I am not but perhaps you are.
Another possible way could be to be sure that EK was obviously not in a position to write it,
because VMS was written before his birth. For this, we are oblidged to state about the date of writing.
A more tricky one is to state that VMS was written after his death; but now we are facing the theoretical possibility that VMS could be a rewriting which at that time was quite not uncommon.
And finally - but perhaps there are more possible arguments - the most tricky one would be to have deciphered it or encoded it and to find out in the "plain text" that there is a series of facts that obviously is beyond Talbot's knowledge. For instance I would say news from the next President of the United States.
But even that (smile) could be objected, for instance by references to an Enochian angel.
Best regards,
Jean
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