Re: Re: Re: VMs: Highly uneven word distribution

["jan" <hurychj@xxxxxxxxx>]

  Hi Jean,

>As you saw in my recent answer to you previous posting there is basically no 
disagreement between us about our "appraisal" of Gordon's work.

Frankly, I am not judging his ideas yet, just methods. I can see they are dangerous to our PR,  so we have to take a stand one way or another.

>We too agree upon the idea that Edward is still one of the possible candidates, in 
spite of Gordon's bias.

Gord is doing  Kelley disservice: Kelley could have written it without it being a 
fraud :-).

>Perhaps Edward was a rascal, but he was more than that. Otherwise, as you 
rightly point it, he would not have fooled people like John, Rudolph, etc, so many 
months & years along.

There were too  many witnesses e.g. to  his transmutations of metal to gold;  too  
many for all people to be easily fooled :-).  Also, it seems  he really  believed in 
his red powder. There is one scenario that could explain it : there is one 
composite  of  gold that  is of red color (they still add it now to glass, to turn it 
red). By  adding such powder into melted lead, it could have caused the surface 
to be gold plated. Then the cast ingot would look like it  is a real gold. Then came 
the tests, but before them, Kelley switched it with real golden ingot. So  the tests 
went OK. Apparently he believed he can make enough of the powder to make 
the whole  ingot of real gold. Well, he didn't.  I was told by chemist that such composite (for glass) exists, but cannot produce the described effect.  But it  shows that there was probably more in all that than meets the eye :-). 

>For instance, as you probably already know, he is said to be the author of 
alchemical treatises, which are not that bad, it seems...they are sophisticated. And 
to some extent, Enochian is.

Right. Kelley also considered himself a  serious scientist - I wonder if some of that  bad press he got  wasn't something similar to the one given to Richard III :-).

>Your further point about Thaddeus looks to be especially interesting ; as I 
understand it, you mean he was one of Rudolf's buying experts. On this one, I 
would be glad to know more, references, etc.

In was in one of those Czech references -  Hajek was not buying experts, he might have been however asked  for expertise. His job was to test the applicants, that is 
alchemists  and scientists for thejob at court. he did it in his own house and it was him hwo recommended Rudolph Brahe and keplker as well. Since his father was 
collector of many books Rudolph was interested in, I  pressume he used him also 
as an expert  on manuscripts, but Rudolph surely had   enough experts around to provide him with sound advices. Gord's suggestion that  Kelley sold the VM to Rudolph because he was gullible is missing the point: the also VM fooled many experts and still does, apparently even Gord himself :-).  That of course does  not  mean that Rudolph could not buy something against the  best advice of his experts,  just because he wanted  it badly:-).  

>But perhaps they are already available in your VMS site. I ll have a look at it (once 
again).

Yes, it is on  http://hurontaria.baf.cz/VM/a23.htm


Regards,

jan 

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