Re: VMs: Rohonczi Codex

[fion@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]

On Thu, 4 Nov 2004, Ger wrote:
> A search on the net produces seemingly conflicting informtion. see eg:
> http://www.dacia.org/carpatho-danubian-space.html
> http://www.dr-savescu.com/history/sumer-e.html
> 
> I get from it that it could be the lost writing of the Dacians.
The author of the book which claims to have been decyphered the 
writing believes the written  was vulgar-latin and the  script Dacian.
Everything happens in a mythical country reigned by someone called Vlad,
the only cities of this country are Ineul, Aradul, Olbia si Dridu, 
also Nistrul, Tisa, and then  Raraul. The most frequent are  Raraul, 
Ineul and Dridu. There are no rules for transliteration just  a vulgar 
latin-romanian dictionary.Some examples of translation:
Ater iris imiuoi nectani =  threatening rainbow thrust to kill 
Er sibid irarau rar rad tisa = go to Rarau but mostly "rade" to Tisa
ikter eua = yellow people yell
liviso ala iucet iustis = the cavalry beats justly the yellow ones.
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This a partial translation of the article written by Dan Ungureanu. I 
don't have yet any personal opinion, I need to listen also to the 
other side (read the book). 
 
 > Since the contents seems to be bible texts, or related stories, and the 
> language most likely exists or existed, decoding or translating could be 
> "easier" than the VMs.
> 
> Of help might be that text and names in pictures can (often) be found in the 
> text: see eg page 133. Contrary to the VMs where a connection between labels 
> in diagrams and text AFAIK is still at best speculative.
> 
> Some more information regarding the Codex Rohnonczi can be found on the 
> Forum here:
> http://www.dr-savescu.com/codex/study/forum/forum.html
> 
> Especially the (last) link to Dumitru Gr^u looks interesting. However 
Just a  couple of excerpts:
... My opinion is that this is written in mirror(from right to left) with
left hand... similar with the Leonardo Da Vinci style...
the mini format suggests that this was a kind of personal notebook or 
journal which was carried all the time by the author... which may have 
been a monk...and this CODEX is a proof of  a secret mission, experiences,
dreams(revelations) or something which was in  contradiction with
the existing canons and it may have been jeopardized his life. 
... letters/symbols are similar with the ones from Greek or Cyrillic 
scripts..
... some other signs which looks almost identically with Cyrillic and 
Greek ones: 
		io, io, i short, psi.
....
(nr. the author of the article  believes this is written in the "Dacian
script" )  


> Roumanian is not my best language, and babelfish hasn't got it either. Can 
> someone explain what is said there? Don't forget to click the links on top:
> Intro in filele comentate: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9
The content is a description of the picture, for example
for 3(167): Someone with wings(a man, an angel, a god) prays to the sun
(which is humanized) for a sick or a dead man
for 4(170): 
One of the most mysterious miniatures is found right on this page.
A man ( he seems to be the hero of the story/document)(judging after his
hat) waits  with a cup (shaped as a heart) in front of a Moldavian
Monastery. As the the door of the Orthodox Monsteries are oriented to 
the sunset, we can judge the direction of the actions (?) of this man 
(which sometimes is Angel) and the way the document must be read, 
correctly. This miniature also suggest that the date when CR was written 
is the same as the date suggested by the paper on which was written
(dating the watermark) ie years 1530-40, probably in the same period of 
time as the Petru Rares reign(former king of Moldavia) and not on the 
Vlad reign.  
> 
> I too support the idea of starting a separate Rohnonczi list since there 
> doesn't seem to be one (even the Roumanian Forum seems dead to me), and 
> restricting messages on  Rohnonczi here when related to Voynichese.
> 

Agree.

Regards,
Florin


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