RE: VMs: Link between Phaistos Disk & VMs...!?

["John Grove" <John@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

	Wayne,

	I do wish you luck in your endeavours and hope you manage to prove your
theory. Although most of us aren't convinced by a 1000 year leap back in
time as yet and are somewhat close-minded by our current belief that we're
looking at something from the 12th to 16th century. We see things as they
appear to relate to that time frame, while you don't. That's fine, all I was
asking for was a little more concrete evidence. I can't say that the
clothing is set to a single time period - but I can say that I haven't seen
any evidence that the dove-tail like battlements existed pre 13th century. I
may well be wrong if such things did exist in earlier times - I just haven't
seen any. The other side of this argument is the quality of the drawings...
they are poor representations of a castle or walls, but nonetheless have at
least this one distinctive feature.  By all means, please continue to sully
the list with historical links deep into the past - just don't expect that
we're going to say "Wow, you're right" or "You might be onto something..."
until you've given us something a little more convincing.   From my part, I
admit that we can't give much more convincing evidence either. It would be
nice if somebody took the time and 'cost' to do some chemical analysis to
determine a time frame, but I seriously doubt anyone will convince Beinecke
to do so.

	John.


Wayne>>Yes,  I suspected it would come back to this kind of head butting
(your
asking me to disprove a negative, etc.) so I will refrain from further
sullying the list with items related to our getic chase then.

..  There are at least a few of us who suspend judgement as to whether the
86v artistry is truly depicting "ghibelline" battlements and who agree in
any case that they can be shown earlier in Sicily than the political dispute
from whence they take their current name that some folks here are so hung up
on.   We will correspond amongst ourselves about the issues. If anyone else
on the main list lays hands on the Getic alphabet referenced by Carolo
Lundio or the Goth history of Johannes Magnus which purportedly has the
alphabet which predates Wulfia in the near future, please email me directly
as some of us will remain most interested, and contrary to assertions these
items could easily disprove our negative, and allow us to turn from seeking
out Getic writing and the lost book of the bogomils ;) to cracking ciphers.
However, it is clearly a waste of time to discuss it further on the main
list, time that could be spent following up lines of inquiry rather than
discussing the crackpot theory that the manuscript might be older than 15th
to 13th century on this list.  I do not agree that the fact that there might
be 3 orders of magnitude fewer earlier examples necessarily means that there
aren't any...

Nonetheless, I hope that at least a few have gained entertainment value from
the portions of much older histories recently posted or a broadening of
their perspective of European history therefrom.  I guess we all chose to
ignore that which doesn't fit our leanings until we are hit squarely between
the eyes with it whether it be ghibelline battlements, floppy hats, hunting
outfits or zipf's law statistics and word counts.  I suspect I need a good
two by four blow to clear my addled skull....

With kind regards in absentia,

Wayne

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