Re: VMs: Link between Phaistos Disk & VMs...!?

["J HALEY" <j.haley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Jeff Wrote

> 
> > This file shows the patterns in the order in which 
> > they were found in the sample and are similar to 
> > the patterns found by Marke Fincher. Whereas Marke 
> > was using his method to validate the Cardan Grille 
> > hypothesis I firmly believe that these patterns 
> > nullify it.
> 

Marke Fincher replied

> Actually that's not quite right.  What I was 
> entertaining at the time was the possibility that the 
> VMS text was constructed by means of moving a 
> rectangular window over a page of "master" text, each 
> time copying the visible text fragment (including 
> spaces) to the constructed document.   This is not 
> equivalent to Cardan Grille, and one of the reasons 
> that lead me to consider this was precisely the 
> observable patterns that span spaces (i.e. connections 
> between word endings and next word beginnings) which
> are not so easy to explain otherwise.  
> 
> I should add that I never actually disproved this,
> and found that some 70% of the actual VMS text can
> be constructed in this manner; the problem was that
> my programs were also able to build a similar sized 
> "masterblock" which could be used to construct 70% 
> of the KJV bible with the same technique!   
> 
> For the record, I too have never been convinced by 
> Rugg.
> 
> Marke

Well the KJV bible is quite repetitive and similar in this respect
to the VMS. If you could build a masterblock that could recreate
70% of say a small section of James Joyce's Ulysses that would
be impressive. It would also show that the method you suggest
could be flexible.

I find no problem with the fact that your algorithm is able to produce
English as well as VMS output. Why shouldn't it? It only goes to show,
in my opinion anyway, that there is meaningful content in the VMS. If
it obeys the same rules as a natural language then your programs
would deal with it in the same manner. The fact that the language,
grammar and syntax are unknown is irrelevant.

I apologise for my misunderstanding of your position in my last email.
Keep on with your research and good luck.

Jeff


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